In 2026, the large model war has fully escalated, unveiling Act Two—from the Chat era dominated by Pre-train to the Agent era dominated by Post-train. At a time when the AI paradigm is undergoing dramatic change, I interviewed AI researcher Luo Fuli. Luo Fuli previously worked at Alibaba DAMO Academy and DeepSeek, and is currently the head of Xiaomi's large model team, leading the development of the MiMo-V2 series of models. She has many labels in cyberspace, such as "AI prodigy girl," but she dislikes this title. This was her first interview, and also her first long-form technical interview. We systematically discussed the AI earthquake triggered in 2026 by technical variables such as Claude Opus 4.6 and OpenClaw, as well as the subsequent structural impacts. "The next two or three months will be very exciting," Luo Fuli said. Next is my interview with Luo Fuli. LINKS: Our video podcast and podcast are broadcast on all platforms; If you wish to consume the text version, please search for our studio's public account: 语言即世界 language is world. Text version of this episode: "Exclusive Dialogue with Luo Fuli: The AI Paradigm Has Already Changed Dramatically!” DISCLAIMER: This content is not intended as investment advice. CONTACT: xiaojunzhang@lisw.ai Jump into the new world—and explore with us!😉 -- 中文： 对罗福莉的3.5小时访谈：AI范式已然巨变！OpenClaw、智能体框架、Agent范式很吃Post-train、卡的分配比例、巨变下的组织 2026年，大模型战争全面升级，掀开了第二幕——从Pre-train（预训练）主导的Chat时代，转向Post-train（后训练）主导的Agent时代。 在AI范式巨变之际，我访谈了人工智能研究员罗福莉。罗福莉曾供职阿里达摩院、DeepSeek，目前是小米大模型团队负责人，主导研发了MiMo-V2系列模型。她在网络空间有很多标签，例如“AI天才少女”，但她不喜欢这个称呼。 这次是她的第一次访谈，也是她第一次进行长时间的技术访谈。 我们系统性地谈论了，2026年由Claude Opus 4.6、OpenClaw等技术变量所触发的AI巨震，以及后续结构性影响。 “接下来两三个月会非常精彩。”罗福莉称。 接下来，就是我对罗福莉的访谈。 LINKS： 我们的视频播客、播客在全平台播出； 如果你想服用文字版，请搜索我们工作室的公众号：语言即世界language is world。 本集文字版：《独家对话罗福莉：AI范式已然巨变！》 DISCLAIMER: 本内容不作为投资建议。 CONTACT: xiaojunzhang@lisw.ai Jump into the new world-and explore with us!😉 --- OUTLINE: 00:01:31 OpenClaw Triggers Dramatic Change——OpenClaw引发巨变 00:23:32 Swarm Intelligence Elevates Agent Frameworks——群体智能提升Agent框架 00:40:46 2026 Is the Year of Productivity Transformation——2026是生产力变革之年 01:01:00 Agent's Self-Evolution and Self-Iteration——Agent的自进化与自迭代 01:18:54 MiMo-V2: Awakening and Ambush——MiMo-V2：觉醒和伏击 01:44:39 The 1T Model Is the Entry Ticket——1T模型是入场券 01:51:48 Organizational Egalitarianism——组织平权 02:02:11 Training Details and Costs——训练细节和成本 02:08:18 Alternative Architectures——另类架构 02:21:47 AI Has No Survival Crisis——AI没有生存危机 02:38:27 Denying Who You Were Yesterday, Every Day——每天在否认昨天的自己 02:47:49 The AI Evolution History of the Past 3 Years——过去3年的AI进化史 03:05:09 Current Consensus and Competition——当下共识与竞争 03:19:00 Environment Matters More Than Experience——环境比经验更重要