Today’s guest is American serial entrepreneur Lindon Gao, founder and CEO of Dyna Robotics. Before this, he had built two businesses, including one full-fledged startup. Dyna could be described as his fourth entrepreneurial venture. In Silicon Valley, Dyna’s approach is very different from the pure “brain-first” research path pursued by Pi (Physical Intelligence), which has previously appeared on our show. Rather than starting with general intelligence and exploring the architecture of a robot’s brain, Dyna has chosen a “product research” approach: taking concrete workflows as the basic unit, starting from real-world tasks, and using them to drive the pretraining of its models. The global robotics industry is still nowhere near a point of convergence. This is an extraordinarily long race—you cannot see the finish line, and sometimes you cannot even see clearly what lies around you. Every founder must find their own direction on this still-incomplete map, make critical decisions, and find their way back to themselves when they become lost. Lindon also spoke about entrepreneurship as a process of inner cultivation. Sometimes, a real transformation takes place in a single shift of perspective. In the past, he demanded that he become a “CEO who could never make mistakes.” But he later realized that it was precisely this fear of making mistakes that led him to “make many wrong decisions simply to avoid making mistakes.” It was not until the end of last year that he finally made it through this difficult period. --- 今天我们的嘉宾是一位美国连续创业者，Dyna Robotics创始人兼CEO Lindon Gao。此前，他做过两段生意，一次完整的创业。Dyna可以说是他的第四次创业了。 在硅谷，Dyna和之前来过我们节目的Pi（Physical Intelligence）的纯大脑研究路线非常不一样。相比从通用智能出发、探索机器人大脑的研究路径，Dyna选择了一条“Product-research”的道路：以具体的工作流为最小单元，从真实任务出发，反过来驱动模型的预训练。 全球机器人行业还远远没有达到收敛的时刻。这是一条无比漫长的长跑——你看不见终点，有时候你也看不出清楚四周。每一位创业者都必须在这张尚未绘制完成的地图上，找到自己的方向，做出关键决策，并在迷途中找回自己。 而Lindon谈到，创业也是一场自我的修心。有时候，真正的转变只在一念之间。 过去，他曾要求自己做一个“不能犯错的CEO”。但后来他意识到，恰恰是这种对犯错的恐惧，让自己“为了不能犯错而做了很多错误的决策”。 直到去年年底，他才刚刚渡过了这段难关。 --- OUTLINE: 00:01:41 “We’re cockroaches. We can’t be killed.” —— “我们是蟑螂，我们死不了” 00:24:49 “I can smell the money.” —— “我可以闻得到钱 ” 00:40:32 The open map of robotics and the “product research” roadmap—— 机器人开放地图和“product research”路线图 02:00:08 China —— 中国 02:13:01 Letting go of the baggage and finding one’s own path through the fog —— 丢下包袱，迷雾中探出一条自己的路 --- DISCLAIMER: This content does not constitute investment advice. CONTACT:xiaojunzhang@lisw.ai Jump into the new world—and explore with us! 😉